4. Shella Heins & Sébastien Heins

Rick chats with Sébastien Heins and his Jamaican-born mother, Shella. Sébastien is the Associate Artistic Director of Toronto's renowned Outside The March theatre company, and he and Rick have collaborated on several projects. In this XTG episode, Sébastien and his mom share stories about Bohemian life in the 70s, getting pregnant in Paris, living as a mixed-race family, internalized bias, furniture as family history, hitchhiking, couch surfing, eggplant emojis, and sharing a joint with Bob Marley. No more Waiting in Vain.
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